My first romace... scam

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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:02 pm

So I got this lad hooked about two days ago, and I decided to start posting the exchanges since he won't move to the email and only wants to use the mingle2 chat (ugh). I am adding some comments in paretheses (<---or whatever this are called--->) because this is a funny (although lazy) guy

Quote:

lad
Hi

My lady
hello! how are you?

lad
Am fine and u dear

lad
So were are u from

My lady
i'm fine too, where are you from?

My lady
I'm from New york!

lad
Am happy to see u chat with me

lad
Ok am a Nigerian and am to see u chat with me (fun fact, IP: 82.145.222.97 places him in switzerland)

My lady
Oh boy! Nigerian! that's very interesting! how is your country?

lad
They are fine and yours?

My lady
Mine is very fine too, it is a beautiful country
have you ever been to the USA?

lad
No but have heard and notice about there it is a very nice country so what is ur occupation

My lady
I am a secretary, what about you?

lad
Ok am a final year student and am studying about computer

lad
At imo state university in Nigeria

My lady
wow! great!

lad
I think I like u and u are the kind of people am here for and I love ur behaviors even the way u acepted me and I started chatting with u it mean that u are friendly and u are the kind of people I want so I will like us to be friends please

lad
And u too so when next will u be coming online ?

My lady
I don't know, but why don't you give me your email and we can exchange emails

My lady
how does that sound to you?

My lady
of course we can be friends! you are very cute!

lad
And u too so when next will u be coming online

lad
I dnt understand what u mean to exchange email (really? this was getting weird)

lad
Here is my email chine...@ovi... and my number +23...

My lady
I just sent you an email, please respond ASAP so we can start talking

lad
do u mean on my whatsapp or my email account ? (not the sharpest tool in the shed I see...)

(so we started communication on email but it was crap and he kept writing only on the subject and he was driving me crazy)

lad
Hello dear

My lady
hi!

lad
How are u dear

lad
Am fine dear I just sent u a message in ur mail now

My lady
Im good, thank you, how are you?

lad
Ok pls let's chat here

My lady
ok, lets chat here, do you like sports? (my lady is a sporty lady and wants people that play sports, and besides, she will be requesting increasingly weird pictures, so I have to set the field)

lad
Yeah I love sports and I will watch match this night

My lady
Really? which match?

lad
The international friendly match, pls I have something to tell u

My lady
what is it dear?

lad
Pls I want to go offline now but will be back in the next two hours and I want to chat with u this night so can I have ur number so that when I want to come online then I will call u pls dear

My ladyabout
Sadly I dropped my phone on a puddle and it doesnt work, so right now I dont have a phone, but why don't you tell me now? (ah, the puddlephone... never fails)

lad
No I just want to charge my phone for two hours so that we can chat better

My ladyabout
ok, then we can talk here later if you want, just send me an email when your phone is charged. (I still want him to use email! it is easier for me to watch that)

lad
Ok dear but I will not charge long ok ? Love u!!!

lad
Are u sure u will reply the same time ?

My ladyabout
I will try to reply as soon as I see it, don't worry, you can trust me Very Happy

lad
Ok dear I will not even charge long ok ? Love u!!

My ladyabout
please hurry, I want to talk to you again soon

lad
Ok dear am about to go now

lad
Hello dear am back

lad
Hi pls come online

lad
Hello dear

(to clarify, since I took one hour to respond, he started going nuts, and sent me an email that said "respond now" my lady, not liking jerks, answered both on email and on mingle2)

My ladys email
>ok! wait a minute! whats wrong with you? you sill NEVER talk to me like
>that again! I was eating, and you can not order me arround like that, you
>are very rude! and I am very offended, you want to talk? ok, wanna be
>friends? fine, but behave correctly or I will not continue this
>relationship! I am expecting an apology the next time you contact me mister!

My lady
I am very angry at you, you are very rude and I don't like rude people! you will not tell me to do things "now" never again in your life, you must respect my times! I don't live in Nigeria and maybe you don't know this, but in mexico we have to eat! so I am expecting an apology (ok, so I may have made a mistake here and written mexico instead of america, I think he didn't notice, if he did I will have to make up a story of how my family is mexican and I moved to NY after High school or something... no biggie)

(then he answered to my email)
Lads email:
Ok am sorry pls chat better on mingle

My lady
you apology on the email doesn't feel real! WTF! are you kidding me?! apologize correctly or I wont speak to you no more!

lad
Pls babe forgive please my love please am sorry I will not try it again (thats right! grovel you prick!)

My lady
I will forgive you this time, but I don't like that kind of attitude!
Now, what did you have to tell me before you went offline?

lad
Ok am my sorry dear pls forgive me

lad
Is about the relationship

My lady
what about the relationship?

lad
Please I will like it to be tight and will last for ever

My lady
what do you mean? like, a romantic relationship?

Lad
No I want both of us to love each order bcos that's the reason am here so am serious

My lady
you want us to love each other? ok! but I barely know you! why don't you send me some pictures by email? if you send some I will send some of me (raising the stakes lady?)

Lad
That will not be problem but that will be tomorrow so that I can get nice ones ok

My lady
I don't even know your name! (ok, lets be honest, I had forgotten to ask)

Lad
My name is James and u?

Lad
Yeah pls what is ur name

My lady
OK! do you play soccer? (retaking the sports theme from before)

Lad
Yeah pls what is ur name

My lady
Please send a picture with your soccer uniform put on! that is very sexy! (this lady is a bit weird)
My name is Diana, whats your name?!

Lad
My name is James I will do that tomorrow am a footballer

My lady
please do! and take good pictures! I love pictures so much! do you have another kind of uniform? I love uniformed men! sports and military uniforms are so sexy! (not weird... kinky lady!)

Lad
No dear. So can we now be lovely friends? (I thought he would out himself as a military too... sadly he probably thought of it and decided that it could later come and bait him in the ass (got it? bait like in scamBAITing? ok... bad joke)

My lady
we can be lovely friends when you send your pictures and I know how you look!

And thats where we are right now, the idea is that this lady is kinky as HELL! and she will try to get weirder and weirder pictures as time goes on, he, on the other hand, seems to be a little stupid (like, in reality stupid) because he is trying to scam me but cant use an email!

Tips? comments? please let me know! I will be more than happy to get them

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:01 pm

With the love lads, remember they don't like women bossing them around. Slap them for sure when they get out of line but make sure you give him some love and care when he bends to your will. You want him primed and thinking you're going to fall for whatever drivel he sends your way.
Most like chat way more than email because they can ask a lot of questions and get a feel for how they can make you fall in love with them. It's how they really snag their victims.
Enjoy! You will learn from them- take notes if you give details because sometimes they circle back and ask you what you said.

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:17 pm

thanks sweetpoison, I did feel I was being too bossy, let me tur it down a notch!

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:25 am

SP's right. Another way to handle the transition to email is tell him chat is for kids or you don't have hours to spend at your computer. Work, you know. Bait and switch also works well. Reward good behavior but be prepared to slap him if he decides to be a tool.

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:56 am

Most of the romance lads are using the chat for two reasons:

1. they do not need to be creative
2. they are controlling the communication.

Moving them to email helps you to take the control of the communication - having there real location maybe. Plus, that email address may have hits online for being already used in scams - and if not, it may a good reason to have it reported on ScamWarners.

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:33 pm

So this is what has happened today, right now we are trully falling in love with one another, or at least he thinks that I think that of course Twisted Evil

Quote:

(I'm sorry about the mess... this chat messes up all the conversations and sometimes not even I know what is happening anymore)

lad
Pls I will like u to give me ur heart and I will give u my too and to trust each order pls I love u

lad
Ok but try and come online and please try and get ur self a cellphone

My Lady
I love you too, but I haven't seen any picture of you, please send them and I will love you forever (I will not let him go without giving me pictures! I am aiming for lots of pictures in this bait and he will deliver)

lad
Ok but try and come online tomorrow and get ur self a cellphone so that I will be calling u

lad
Why did u viewed my profile

lad
What are u doing pls be fast with me babe

My Lady
I am working! don't hurry me! I have work to do

My Lady
I wanted to see your photos

My Lady
but you have very few

lad
What are u working

lad
Which office is that

My Lady
My job... Im a secretary

lad
Which office are u working

lad
If u are working then tell me let me sleep

My Lady
are you going to sleep? good night sweetie
and dont forget to send the pictures tomorrow! as soon as I get them I will e mail you mine!

lad
Ok so when will u be online tomorrow

My Lady
I will be online tomorrow at 10 am NY time

lad
In the morning ?

lad
The time here now is 10:40pm

lad
But try and get a phone

My Lady
10 in the morning NY time, I don't know what time that is in Nigeria

lad
Babe how I wish u have a phone u should have been calling me when ever u want to come online

My Lady
Yah... me too, but it is totally not working (totally)

lad
But when will u get one for ur self

My Lady
I wish you knew how to use email but we can't always get what we want, can we?

lad
No again and I will like to hear ur voice

My Lady
I don't know, I don't have the money to get one

My Lady
Im going to go offline right now because Im leaving work, please have an excelent night and I hope you can send me those pictures tomorrow, I want to see how sexy you look on your soccer uniform! (Its a nice moment to remind you that this is a kinky lady and she loves men who dress up)

lad
Ok babe what is the name ur company

lad
What have u been using to chat with me

My Lady
what do you mean? im using mingle2 (silly)

lad
I mean the phone u are using

My Lady
I don't have a phone dummy

My Lady
Oh no, I'm using a computer

My Lady
Hey, i'm sorry that yesterday I was a bit rude, I was having a bad day, but now I'm having a better one
how are you darling?

lad
Ok dear so how are u

My Lady
I'm better today honey, how are you?

My Lady
yeah... today seems like it will be a busy day, so don't get angry if I take my time to answer

lad
Am good sweetie are u in work now

lad
Ok dear but what office are u working on ?

My Lady
it a little paper business

My Lady
its called papiermache (yeah... most creative name ever)

lad
Ok dear so u have not tell me about ur parents (I just read this, I literally didn't know he asked this haha)

My Lady
how about you? do you work or do you study full time?

lad
I study full time

My Lady
cool! that's an excellent choice honey

My Lady
hey, did you send the pictures? I'm dying to see you

lad
I dnt no how to send it (so much for a student in computers)

lad
How can I send it

My Lady
ok, ready, go to your email and attach them to a mail for me please, it would be so sweet of you if you could!

My Lady
please, attaching a file is super easy, specially for a student of computers like you honey! please send your pictures!

My Lady
are you still there honey? I don't like this chat, this is very frustrating, please lets move to the email. this is for kids and I don't want to talk through here any more

(taking capone's advise I decided to move the conversation to email, and from this moment on I swore that I would not answer him if it was not on an email, which you can read below)

lad
Hello babe am sorry I was watching match

lad
Hello sweetie let's chat here

now lets see, after I decided moving to email for good, this is what happened:

Quote:

>hey sweetie, please lets move our conversation to the email, please do it
>for me, it is much easier and the mingle2 chat is for kids, we are grown
>ups and should be able to have meaningful conversations here, besides, I
>don't have that much time to spend on the chat, my work is very time
>consuming, please just move our conversation here.
>
>I am attaching a picture of me so you will know me and see how I look, and
>I hope you can send yours too. you are a cutie in words and I'm sure you
>will also be a cutie in image, but how can I know if I can not see your
>face and your body.
>
>Do this for me honey, and this will be easier for both of us! we wont have
>to keep refreshing that awfull page and we will comunicate more fluidly.
>
>Kisses

(the image I sent was a huge file renamed .jpg)

ok how have u seen it I have seen how to send it (he insists in writing on the subject)
image removed by dotti--we have not established that this is a scammer (also, please resize large photos to avoid forum blowout.)

Oh my god! you are so handsome! I would love to see you on your soccer outfit too! please send me more pics of you!

How have you been doing james? I just came out of work, it was hell today, a client got very angry at us and started yellong to me on the phone, it was horrible, but now that I see your picture it brightens my day and fortifies my prostate, I hope everything is fine with you, and hope you are having a happy day sweetiepie, please respond as soon as you can and tell me everything about your day. just remember honey, you must write on the big blank square, not on the small ones! I am happy to talk to you here in the email, it is much easier for me, since I can write a whole letter and not loose that much time! dont you think so too? I dont like mingle, it is very immature, only kids should use that thing.

Ok, I have to go now, but I hope to hear from you soon, and please sen more pics of you, you are very handsome and I want to see more of you

Love
Diana

(So Diana seems to finally be falling in love with this guy, and now it is happening FAST!)

Ok babe pls sweetie are u going now (he is starting to not write on the subject line!!!! finally!)

image removed by dotti--we have not established that this is a scammer (also, please resize large photos to avoid forum blowout.)

oh my god! you are so handsome! I love your looks!

please tell me more about your day! please, I want to know everything about you!, I'm sending another picture of me because you have been such a nice guy, but if you want more, you will have to send one in your soccer outfit, what do you say, have we got a deal?

(again, huge file renamed .jpg, he doesn't seem to even mind! and now that I see that he has a little bit of ego, I've decided to feed that ego and see if I can get pictures of him in exchange)

Yeah babe I will send that tomorrow

cool! And I'm happy that you are getting used to the email! isn't this much better? please don't forget to tell me about your day honey, I want to know how it goes, what did you do today? it must be getting late in Nigeria, right?

And that's it for today, apparently he went to sleep, since it is a bit late in Lagos, but I'm expecting pictures tomorrow and I hope they keep comming for a while, in fact, I hope I can keep him until christmas and see if I can get the santa icon hahahaha Santa

As always comments and tips are very welcome, thanks for reading

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:47 pm

Your lad is not in Switzerland...he is using a proxy

Quote:

Information about IP Address 82.145.222.97
n14-01-07.opera-mini.net
Opera Mini Proxies

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:22 pm

Am I missing something here?

He is open about the fact that he is a young Nigerian.
He is using his real photos.
He has not asked you to help with his millions of dollars, or to stand in for an inheritance, or anything like that.

Romance scammers lie about who they are, use stolen photos and fake backgrounds. Romance scammers promise things they cannot possibly deliver, ever. This boy/young man may be perfectly willing to marry a woman in another country in exchange for a visa and a flight ticket out of Nigeria.

He is almost certainly a gold-digger or a beggar (wouldn't be surprised at all if he asked you to help pay his tuition or for you to set him up with a business) but we don't bait those here.

Unless there is true evidence of scamming (claiming he doesn't know how to send a photo from his phone may be stupid but it's not evidence of scamming) then he gets the benefit of the doubt and is treated as an ITP.

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:22 pm

Dorothy's right-and she's the resident expert in RomScam. You should kick him to the curb-he's not a scammer. There are tons more out there. Put him on ignore.

BTW, if you don't want to chat, it's very difficult to move them back to email once they've started using that app. Easier to say "I don't do that chat stuff, it's for kids" in the first response.

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:33 pm

Sorry, but I'm going to disagree, he's not a beggar - if he was, he'd be begging and not immediately falling in love with someone who he has never met.

Gold-digger? Maybe, but I've baited numerous young Africans using pictures that are likely to be their own and in every case except 1 (and I dropped him after a couple of weeks to give him the benefit of the doubt as he seemed more interested in getting clients for his safari tours) within a week there has been an invitation for the victim to travel to meet him or a promise to travel to meet her, followed by the invariable request for money to arrange their passport/visa or a letter of invitation.

And to throw the cat among the pigeons, read the first post of the Femmy thread.

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:45 pm

B8er wrote:

Sorry, but I'm going to disagree, he's not a beggar

And to throw the cat among the pigeons, read the first post of the Femmy thread.

Prove otherwise. Go on. Prove it!
You can't. You can only make a guess.
And because of that, whether you like it or not, this is outside of Eater's remit.

Femmy is irrelevant. I can post a thousand baits to cherry pick what I want. It doesn't mean that this case is the same. The baiters on Femmy had evidence from the beginning that he was a scammer. Granted, they should have made that evidence clearer but that is not the point. As said, there is no such evidence here.

We're treading very, very close to the line of baiting someone just because they're Nigerian. And as people here should know by now - that is unacceptable.

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:56 pm

This particular bait needs to be shut down.

@the_doctor: As Slightly indicated, there was evidence of scamming on the Femmy bait that is not posted, so I understand this one may have looked the same to you.

The average successful romance scammer is not going to be one who claims to be African and uses his own photos. He is actually going to use stolen photos, and claim to be American, or British, or from some other country. In the beginning, when you are not familiar with them, it can be a bit more difficult to identify those fake profiles. Later, it becomes very easy.

If you need help finding a more suitable candidate for baiting, let me know and I would be happy to guide you to some good options.

Baiting Guru Joined: 19 Mar 2012 Posts: 5373

Regarding the Femmy bait, sorry I didn't make the initial post obvious on his initial requests for money. NV had been baiting him and I should have posted a link back to his thread.

The scammy nature of Fem with my character arrives at page 7 with his pretend medical bills. I'll keep in mind that new baiters are reading and will try to connect the dots in an obvious manner on page one in the future.

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:38 pm

I take responsibility here for the Femmy fiasco. Unfortunately, not everything "behind the scenes" is posted here. Sometimes profiles are passed to other baiters, or even whole exchanges with a lad, showing their requests for money. To someone new here or just peeking in, it does look like we picked a random African profile and said, "Hey, let's destroy this person's life because we can." Please know, that was not the case and would not be tolerated here.

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:02 pm

My point is though that Femmy was another young African, who wasn't hiding what he was, that someone decided to bait - unless there was evidence of him scamming before NV started baiting him (i.e. a victim actually reported him as having scammed them) then he never should have baited in the first place.

And it isn't just about "he's Nigerian therefore he's a scammer and I'll bait him" - that is definitely something that I and no other member would say or do. I've seen scammers in Morocco, Libya, Turkey and various East European places all using what are quite likely their own pics and openly saying where they are based - and it always goes the same way, declare undying love after a few mails and then request cash for a visa or letter of invitation.

Beggars beg, they don't quickly declare undying love (that is scamming (or at the least trying to be a golddigger) - promising something so they can get money). A beggar would have come out with "Hi, I'm a student at XYZ, I'm short on money, can you send me $$$ for food, course fees or rent" - fine he's open about what he is and the fact he's actually living in luxury is irrelevant as he hasn't promised anything. He's asked for money and someone has decided to give it to him - exactly the same as a beggar in a shopping precinct.

That said, I agree that the_doctor shouldn't have posted the thread as there is no evidence so far that he is a scammer - and shouldn't be asking for people who may be ITPs to pose for silly pictures.

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:27 pm

B8er wrote:

My point is though that Femmy was another young African, who wasn't hiding what he was, that someone decided to bait - unless there was evidence of him scamming before NV started baiting him (i.e. a victim actually reported him as having scammed them) then he never should have baited in the first place.

It's already been clearly stated by myself and other mods (and Ginger Lee) that there was evidence from the beginning.

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:36 pm

@B8er: I'm sure "the_doctor" will learn from this. And he is new. He has been told why and I'm sure he will drop this bait and will learn from this mistake.

So far as Femmy--I got involved in the bait partway through, and I was told Femmy was a scammer. And if two mods and an experienced romance baiter are involved in the bait, then I am comfortable that he is a scammer.

Baiting Guru Joined: 19 Mar 2012 Posts: 5373

I should have been clear from post #1 on the Fem thread.
Fem's interest in obtaining funds from a vic involved Fem's head being placed on a photo of a man in a wheelchair (I love you-marry me-oh I need funds now due to sudden hospitalization) I did not have enough info from anon source to place a warning on SW and saw NV's thread where Fem insists that $1,000.00 is needed to obtain a Nigerian Visa.

He went after all my characters on FMF. I used 2 to tell him no to see what he came up with to procure funds from my characters (fake hospitalization).

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:57 pm

"He is using his real photos."

Just out of curiosity, how did you discover who this person is and that the photos belonged to this person?

Not quite a Newb Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 41

Enough.

I am not going to let this thread continue to spiral, especially when there are so many that have opined that I like and respect.

If there are doubts, we don't bait.

Doctor, you have done nothing wrong.

If any of the rest of you have some confirmed lads, please pass them on to him in PM and let him go - he has promise.

If you have any complaints, you can PM me - I suggest politely.